What is your holy grail?

Above the Mirado box there are three mp, the one below is surely the Turquoise TM-5, which I already own. I just need the other two. Any clue that leads to the capture of these items will be rewarded, thank you.

Well I really don’t know if they are pencils or pens, the one in the middle has a different tip. The one in the box looks like a mechanical pencil because it is next to what looks like a lead case.

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The topmost pencil in the box sure looks like a Platinum Angle! But the presence of the knock cap suggests the middle joint could just be ornamental or a lead hardness display.

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The silver MP in box is the Berol Flex. Body knock design.

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White-labeled Platinum Angle confirmed!

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It does look similar to the Platinum Angle (the only photo I found is Drifand’s on Pinterest) but I see differences: the Berol has a silver ring next to the button and the button itself seems longer. How did you confirm that it is the same?

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While I cannot confirm 100%, I’ve messed with enough pencils to understand the white-label landscape (which is probably more pervasive than you realize). Body knocks, in particular, were often white-labeled because the technology was so different from that found in knock-style MPs.

The Pentel Windom, for example, is a white-labeled Kokuyo Mistral. The rOtring body knock is also a white-labeled version of this same pencil.

If you held the Berol and the Platinum Angle in your hands at the same time, I think you’d be convinced the Berol is simply a white-labeled version of the Angle.

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Ok Berol Flex-5 / Flex .5

I see that back in February you have opened a post about this pencil, great. Thanks for the clue, thanks to drifrand as well.

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By the way (to take advantage of the momentum), who was the OEM for Berol in Japan? I thought that maybe Mitsubishi could have made the TM-5, because it looks to me like some Mitsubishi model (definitely because of the dates, I don’t think it’s Penac since the TM-5 came out at least in 1977).

Dunno, but Colleen has a vintage drafter that’s almost identical to the TM-5. These barrels are also similar—in size, shape, and end gradients—to early Pilot drafters like the H-215 (but the earlier 0.7 variants in particular).

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I just picked up a “Minor” Grail pencil. Not an expensive one, just one that (aside from the Pentel '79, '80 & '82 catalog photos) I have never seen.

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Don’t you have a pink one?

Yes, but it’s not the original release like this.

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The P105 is a very interesting design. It has that classic small metal cowling near the tip, the kind you’d see on vintage ballpoints from the 1970’s and 1980’s. I guess they abandoned this for the P20x series, as it was probably more expensive to make.

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In the (known) US catalogs, only the P105 was listed in 79, 80 & 82. The P107 & P109 were shown in the 1980 catalog, but were not listed in the description. None were in the 1976 catalog, so they probably came out in, my best guess, about 1978, and the US only carried the P105.

I suspect that the pictures used in the 1980 catalog came from Pentel Japan, thus the P107 & P109.

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And another one just popped up for sale from the same seller in the Czech Republic.

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rare and hard to find :wink:

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" * Pilot etched leaf pattern with paint infill comes in red, lime green, blue, and ??"

Never saw one of those. Do you have a picture?

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I actually really like the tip on these. Plastic offers a much more reliable grip, and the metal cone protrusion just looks cool.

I’d kinda slept on this model before now because I almost never see it

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Here’s a sample; secondhand markets are referring to it as Pilot’s “etched grass motif”

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The Q604 Pop’npop Injecto uses the same tip.

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