Two Mystery MP's from Tombow (and one from KIN?)

Once again, the help of the community is needed…

I recently bought a few pencils (no, not really, it was more of a flood of pencils, but let us not digress here), and three of them were particularly hard to identify. Impossible, actually. Hence, a cry for help here.

The first MP is an unassuming, basic drafter by Tombow, in a nice pale blue colour — here in Italy we would call it “azzurro” (azure? turquoise? Any teaching on your colour perception will be welcome) — whose pocket clip looked quite old. I know nothing about this pencil, save it looks generally well deisgned, but also on the cheap end. Pictures incoming…

After a wide shot, here are two details (pocket clip and grip/tip section):


The second pencil I got is… well, it is a strange case, so let me tell you the whole story.

I was chasing high-end Koh-I-Noor MP’s (they are not that common), and thanks to a couple of old leaflets I managed to find the so-called “500” and “700” series; I still can’t tell the precise product code, as my source was a catalogue of an Italian retailer which had intermixed the original codes with its own internal numbering system; all I knew was that, at a certain point in time, probably the Eighties, Koh-I-Noor had a double-knock MP listed as its top of the range. This is an excerpt from that catalogue, and I was interested in the lower model (the top one is allegedly a half-slide, versus the double-knock):

Enters an Italian seller on Ebay, from whom I acquire what he advertised as the “KIN 5310”; not a cheap purchase, but a nice pencil with “Koh-I-Noor” clearly imprinted on the middle ring, which however I discovered to have a missing end metal ring (the rear cap was already described as missing). Still, I was an inch closer to the end of the story.

A few months later, I found an ad on another platform for what looked exactly like the KIN 5310 (mind, not the actual model number), at a decidedly super-cheap figure, so I promptly bought it. When it got here, I quickly checked the inscription on the middle ring, ready to spot “Koh-I-Noor”, and I found… “TOMBOW”!!!

I think at this point it is easier for me to show you what I mean, so, here are some pictures:

The specimen on top is the complete one (made by Tombow), whereas the one on the bottom is the one marked “KIN” (and notice the missing end ring, and the rearbutton cap provided by a donor pencil). When the tip is advanced, they look as follows, and they are clearly the same:

Finally, the middle ring and its different inscriptions:

You can imagine my questions for you now:

• What are the names/models of the two Tombow pencils (plain blue drafter and black double knock)?
• What is the true name of the KIN derivation sold as high-end mecha?
• What was going on at the time between KIN and Tombow? Was the former rebranding and reselling the other, or did they both buy at the same third-party maker in Japan?

As always, thank you for taking the time to read my scattered thoughts, and possibly answer my silly questions. :slight_smile:

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The thing about vintage KIN is that there were 2 separate companies with different product focus. KIN HARDTMUTH split from KIN USA (a.k.a. Koh-I-Noor Rapidograph) after WWII. KIN USA focused on drafting tools and eventually partnered with rOtring to develop the Rapidomatic as well as manufacture the Rapidograph pens in the USA.

KIN HARDTMUTH mostly focused on artist materials and lead holders. So when it came to fine lead MPs, they outsourced or licensed from various OEMs. I have some KIN pencils that are obviously OEM’d by Kotobuki as they are 100% clones of the Platinum Press Man. The super rare 5617 0.5mm is also a Japan OEM.

I suspect if KIN had a double knock, it was the European side that licensed a design from Japan. And Tombow probably used the same OEM as well for its double-knock models.

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I had imagined something like that, thanks for putting it into far better words I could ever imagine to jot down on paper.

On the one hand, this simplifies things, as I only have to look for Tombow (or Tombow-licensed) stuff now. On the other hand, I am afraid my job is getting harder with this jump on the Japanese land.

I’ll try to get another leaflet from KIN where at least I can hope to find the correct product codes for the Koh-I-Noor model, while I dig other Tombow catalogues looking for both the blue, unassuming drafter, and the black double knock. :slight_smile:

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My guess is they were simply using the same OEM manufacturer, a third company, nothing going on directly between them.

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This seems to me the most logical explanation. Yet I find it amazing that different companies, on different sides of the Ocean, ended up selling the same products, at best rebranded, to (mostly) unaware customers all around the world, and all this just by resorting to the same third-party manufacturing plants or designers.

I am very far from the world of Economics, but this is probably the best take-home lecture I will ever learn about the concept of “globalisation”. :slight_smile:

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A Tombow W-knock by a different name! Incredible piece :star_struck:

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Well, more of an incredible scam: the missing rear metal ring and the missing cap (which I had to trade for one from a donor pencil) make the overall piece much less complete to say the least. I am still happy I got it, but at this point I feel obliged to chase another KIN/Tombow W-knock, this time in better conditions. :smiley:

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Quick update: in an unforeseeable turn of events, I managed to find what is supposed to be the official product code for the KIN double-knock MP described in the original post, and it should be:

Koh-I-Noor E 500

(This was, at least, the sticker placed on the plastic lid of the box one of these pencils came in, according to a shop owner who happened to have one last specimen in his leftover stock — this time, one complete of all the parts, including the tail metal band and the rear button covering the tiny eraser.)

I still have to find the product code for the corresponding Tombow (original) version, but at least one half of the problem can be probably considered solved. Notice, by the way, that the imprint “K 5310” on the internal metal lead tube is present only on the KIN models, and does not show on the visible part of the barrel of the Tombow model — perhaps a code for the date/production run?

For every new piece of the puzzle finding its place, at least two more mysteries crop up; man, I love this hobby! :slight_smile:

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